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John Cena Discusses Roman Reigns vs. Brock Lesnar, Great Heel Work, and More

Veteran WWE Superstar John Cena says the Winner Takes All Title Unification Match at WrestleMania 38 excites him more than any other match on the card.

To promote the WWE Evil series on Peacock, Cena recently met with Forbes columnist Alfred Konuwa (@ThisIsNasty). The series focuses on some of WWE’s biggest villains, and Cena shared his thoughts on what makes a great heel.

“As a heel, you should always lean toward the side of virtue, so I think [a good heel is] someone who thinks what they’re doing is virtuous, but it’s really genuinely evil,” Cena said. “They can’t look past their own truth, and what they do is genuinely evil. When I sit down with an opponent in WWE, it’s not to have a Kung Fu-style exhibition. We discuss why we are fighting. And we will get to the bottom of that, because ‘I want to win’ is not enough. ‘I want to be a champion’ is not enough. There needs to be some more. Normally, as a good guy, you lean on the side of virtue, and the bad guy is the one who leans away from it. That’s a great start, but as WWE gets to building these personalities more and more, I think the actual answer is shades of grey.”

It was reported that “shades of grey” have been prominent in the build-up to the main event of WrestleMania 38, which will feature WWE Champion Brock Lesnar and WWE Universal Champion Roman Reigns. Cena stated that he is “without a doubt” looking forward to this match, which will take place this weekend at AT&T Stadium in Dallas.

“It doesn’t say anything negative about any other performer—it’s just a testament to how well these two performers are—it’s Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar in the Winner-Take-All match,” Cena answered when asked which WrestleMania 38 match he’s most looking forward to. “It has a big-fight feel. It’s two of the greatest performers of all time.”

“They had this match not too long ago a few years back, and it did not have the same gravity because Brock is in the conversation by himself as one of, if not the greatest performer ever to step foot in a WWE ring,” Cena said. “And I think he’s shown his dynamic ability with this new path he’s on right now. He totally can do it all, he’s not just a strong guy, and an agile guy, he has such depth of character. And the fact that he was holding in these promos for so long and unleashing them now—truthfully, it shows how good, and how patient and how smart he is.”

Cena also commended Reigns’ development and stated that Sunday’s match is genuinely a toss-up and the biggest draw WWE has had in a long time.

“And Roman has grown so much from that match we saw years ago. And now it is truly a coin-flip,” he said. “These are two of the best guys, at their peak, fighting for the most important prize with narrative and story behind it. And each one truly believes in themselves and their own truth. To me, it’s everything that makes a great story, everything that makes a great matchup, everything that makes WrestleMania so great. That is, by far, the biggest attraction WWE has had in a long time. I very much look forward to that.”

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